Porsche 911: Used Car Pre-Purchase Inspection — /DRIVE CLEAN

Porsche 911: Used Car Pre-Purchase Inspection — /DRIVE CLEAN


LARRY KOSILLA: What’s
up, guys? Welcome back to Season 2 of
“Drive Clean.” I’m Larry Kosilla from ammonyc.com. And this year, we have 13
episodes jam-packed with car care education. Everything from interior
detailing, wheel repair, window tints, clear bra,
and much, much, more. That’s all coming up on this
season of “Drive Clean.” [MUSIC PLAYING] LARRY KOSILLA: I’ve been looking
everywhere for the past three years for a
well-cared for Porsche 964. And this one came to me through
an eBay listing. I’m pretty sure I found the
right car, but before I pull the trigger, I want to make sure
I’m not getting a lemon. So today, we’re going to go over
everything you need to know before you head out and
buy a classic or used car. The first step is checking
out the car. We’ve broken down the PPI into
10 steps, each of which has multiple actions to help you
determine the condition of the car in question. Prior to seeing the vehicle in
person, research the make, model, and year for
comparable prices. I like to use eBay Motors, Kelly
Blue Book, and Hagerty to get a feel for the market. Be aware of the common or
typical issues that occur with this type of vehicle, and be
sure to pay extra attention to those potential trouble areas. Call the owner and ask them a
few questions to establish a baseline for the car’s condition
and to get a better feel for the seller’s
personality. Remember, you’re not only
judging the condition of the car, but the integrity
of the seller. You have to be like a detective and uncover the facts. Now at the end of the day,
this is a business transaction, and emotions need
to be kept in control. Once you’ve established contact
and feel comfortable with the seller’s answers to all
your questions, then set up a time to see the
car in person. When visually inspecting the
car, start off by quickly walking around to get a broad
feel for its condition. Look at the body panels for
any dings and dents and obvious scratches. Next, begin to focus on smaller
and smaller sections. I keep my eye line focused on
no more than one foot by one foot area to avoid distracting
my eye. If possible, use a Brinkmann
light to help you see and uncover any paint imperfections
that you wouldn’t have noticed
otherwise. Here are some additional things
you need to think about when you’re inspecting
the exterior. Open all compartments and
inspect the outer edges of the jambs. Look– and more importantly,
feel– for any rough or overspray areas which might
indicate a respray. Quickly look for any paint
blemishes or blending signs from a body shop. Then ensure the compartment fits
properly within the body of the car by measuring the gaps
between the compartment and the body. There should be an equal
gap on each side. Get underneath the car as much
as you can and look for obvious rust or oil leaks, and
ask your mechanic to take a closer look if you choose
to move forward. Next, look, and with your hand,
feel the inside the wheel well for any rub marks
caused by modified suspension or odd-sized tire and
wheel combinations. Check the rims for bends,
scuffs, or gouges and factor any cosmetic repair into
your final decision. Then take a quick look at the
tire tread depth and for any uneven wearing that might be an
indication of suspension or alignment issues. One of the most overlooked
areas when purchasing a classic car is the door seals. These tend to be brittle,
cracked, and even missing from years of use. These can be costly and at times
tricky to replace, but their importance can’t be
overstated, as they steer moisture away from vulnerable
areas that commonly rust without protection. Lastly, look at the glass
for any minor cracks that may need attention. This windshield here has a
textbook rock chip that can be repaired without replacing
the entire glass. Now if you have access to a
paint-depth gauge, it can be invaluable in determining if the
paint has been resprayed or has any body fillers,
like Bondo. And this can prompt you to ask
the right questions and to investigate further. Inspecting the interior can be
tricky because of the fabrics, leather, and electrical
components. Here are a few items to think
about as you work your way around the cockpit. Don’t be afraid to
use your hands. Push, poke, and pull as if
it was your own car. Are the switches intact and
functioning properly? Does the seat move freely
on its tracks? And do the electrical seat
controls work as they should? Is the seat cracked,
worn, or dried out? Be sure to squeeze the bolsters
and look at the inner seams for rips or frays. Are the air vents functioning
and moving freely? Does the dashboard have weather
fade, cracks, or obvious repairs? Is the headliner sagging? And are the visors
operational? At first glance, does the
shifter feel loose or have too much play? Are there any lingering odors,
such as smoke or mold, that need further questioning? Do your gauge clusters
seem to respond? If you choose to move forward,
your mechanic should do a more in-depth check. Are the pedals worn out? And how does the clutch
feel at first pass? Step five is one of the most
unique fact-gathering techniques, and that is to ask
the owner to take you for a drive so you can look, listen,
and smell while not having to focus on driving a
new car safely. Keep a close eye on how the
owner treats the car. Does he ride the clutch? Does he over-rev the engine
or is he a heavy braker? All things to keep in mind
when it’s decision time. When it’s time to switch
drivers, make sure the car is completely off. Then start the engine and look
and smell for any oil leaks or excessive smoke on start-up. During the drive, focus on the
ride quality, steering feel, and if the brakes are spongy,
so you’re familiar with the car’s feel when you and your
mechanic discuss it later. The next step is something
you really shouldn’t do on your own. You need to take your car to a
certified or reliable mechanic for a paid pre-purchase
inspection. This is my home away from home,
a place where Porsche history is on every lift and an
artist and a mechanic are one and the same. Finding an expert who
specializes in your specific vehicle is ideal but not
always possible. Be sure to find a mechanic who’s
willing to spend the time with you to explain the
positives and negatives of your potential purchase. Spending a few extra dollars
here can save you a big headache in the future. Gaspar Fasulo, chief mechanic
and Rennwerke partner, gathers info by first test-driving the
965 and calculating its response against the years
of experience he has a Porsche mechanic. This step is critical in the
success of the PPI, as your mechanic will recognize the
subtle nuances that might be otherwise overlooked. So, what do you think? GASPAR FASULO: Larry, the car
ran exceptionally well. Engine felt real strong. Gear box and the clutch
felt good. I think it’s a nice,
solid car. At this point, I’d like to pick
it up on the rack, and let’s take a look underneath
and let’s see what it looks like. LARRY KOSILLA: Let’s do it. With the car on the lift and the
wheels removed, Gaspar can closely examine the brakes,
calipers, rotors, and suspension to establish its
current condition and warn me of any impending
costly repairs. All right, Gas. What did you find? GASPAR FASULO: Well, the first
thing I like to do when I get a car up on the lift is I like
to check for structural damage or any possible rust issues. I examined all four corners of
the car, and it checked out quite well. I believe this car was never
involved in an accident. LARRY KOSILLA: That’s
a good thing. GASPAR FASULO: That’s
a real good thing. So at that point, I think you
have a good solid car here. But I did notice while it was
up that you do have a couple of oil leaks that you
need to address. And I’d like to point
them out to you. LARRY KOSILLA: Yeah. GASPAR FASULO: The first leak
that I did find was on this side here. I believe it’s the lower
valve cover gasket. Couple of drips here leaking,
and you can see them dripping down here. And this is something you should
definitely address. Not a major problem. Just a couple of gaskets
and it’ll fix that. I also noticed on this side– this side seems to be a little
worse than the driver’s side. There’s a couple
of leaks here. I also believe that’s coming
from the lower valve cover gasket, and possibly
the seal behind the power steering drive. So those three things, I would
definitely do, because I’m a little concerned about the
oil on the exhaust. So you definitely have to
schedule an appointment and get that done. While it was up on the lift, I
also inspected the exhaust system, and the exhaust system
checks out pretty well. It’s a stainless muffler
on here. It’s nice and solid. There’s no rust on it,
and it appears to be in pretty good shape. I also checked the suspension
while I had it up, and it seems that the previous owner
installed a really nice set of KONI adjustable shocks,
which is a big plus. LARRY KOSILLA: That
is huge plus. GASPAR FASULO: It’s
a huge plus. So it’ll save you
that expense. I also noticed that the previous
owner replaced some of the brake lines with a
stainless steel brake line, which is also a nice
upgrade to do. Give you nice firm pedal. And obviously, he replaced the
fluids, so that’s something that you don’t have to do for
the next couple years. LARRY KOSILLA: I like that. GASPAR FASULO: Otherwise,
it looks really nice. I’d like to move to the front of
the car and take a look at the steering and the front
suspension and see what that looks like. LARRY KOSILLA: All right,
let’s do it. GASPAR FASULO: The front end
checks out pretty well. I noticed that the previous
owner recently installed a set of factory-original rotors
and brake pads. LARRY KOSILLA: Those
look good. GASPAR FASULO: These are
brand-spanking-new, right from Porsche, which is great. I also noticed that the tie rod
in here has a little tear in the boot. Some of the grease
is escaping. This is something that
you have to address. It’s not expensive. I can replace just the end. Otherwise, the front
end checks out really, really well. LARRY KOSILLA: Cool. Gaspar is testing the lights,
blinkers, horn, wipers, interior lights, dashboard
dimmer switch, mirrors, and various other knobs and buttons
for his PPI checklist and to make sure everything is
functioning as it should. Next, he hooks up a special
computer designed to communicate with the on-board
diagnostics of the Porsche. The system tester will indicate
if any computer codes have faulted due to a simple
blown fuse or a major component failure. GASPAR FASULO: This is the
last part of our PPI. What we’re going to do here
is we’re going to do a compression test. That’s going to tell
us the overall condition of the engine. So we’re going to go forward
and do that. Also, another thing we’re going
to do, we’re going to take a real good look at
the spark plugs to see how they burning. That’ll also give us some kind
of idea of the overall condition of the engine. All right? Tad, can you step on the
accelerator pedal to the floor, please? OK. Can you crank it over, please? [ENGINE CRANKING] GASPAR FASULO: Good. Excellent. We got about 210 pounds, which
is excellent for a 964. LARRY KOSILLA: Great. GASPAR FASULO: That’s
a great number. LARRY KOSILLA: So it’s
looking good so far. GASPAR FASULO: So let’s
move forward. Let’s check the other
cylinders. All right, Tad. Put the accelerator to
the floor, please. All right, crank it over. [ENGINE CRANKING] GASPAR FASULO: That’s good. Excellent. 210 pounds. It’s identical. All the cylinders are less
than 5% apart, which is a great indication. LARRY KOSILLA: Great. GASPAR FASULO: The
engine is good. The engine is healthy. LARRY KOSILLA: Sweet. I’m excited. Once the PPI is completed, it’s
important to chat with your mechanic to review his
findings and to fully understand the current condition
of the vehicle. This should help you decide if
this particular vehicle is the right fit for you. We’ve gone through
my checklist. I’ve taken it for a drive. And we’ve completed the
mechanical PPI. I’m not going to lie, but I
really love this car and I want to buy it. But I need to sleep on it and
go back to the seller with a small list of issues discovered
during the PPI that’ll help determine
a fair price. Check back on next week’s
episode to see what happens. In the meantime, visit
ammonyc.com and download your free PPI checklist. Well, that’s it for me, guys. Thanks for watching another
episode of “Drive Clean,” right here on the number one
source for all things cars, the Drive Network. [MUSIC PLAYING] LARRY KOSILLA: In the meantime,
visit ammonyc.com download your free P Pie– oh, damn. Free PPI checklist. We were doing so well. I was kicking that one in the– [BEEP] GASPAR FASULO: And if you decide
to do the work, I’ll even waive the PPI fee. LARRY KOSILLA: Oh, nice. How about that? [LAUGHTER] [BEEP]

100 thoughts on “Porsche 911: Used Car Pre-Purchase Inspection — /DRIVE CLEAN

  1. If I saw a car in this condition in my budget I would instantly buy it, and why is that mechanic doing his work with gloves?!

  2. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." A professional used car inspection is the MOST important part of buying the a used vehicle. Before you buy any used car, be sure to read the “Top 10 Used Car Buying Myths, & Mistakes” at the non-profit consumer site, UsedCarInspections.ORG.

  3. PPI saved me from buying a truck with a cracked frame, people who say they are a joke are the same people trying to rip you off.

  4. This is good advice if your buying a classic car or a least one that is more that 8,000. I would not take this much time on a lesser car and if I was selling a lesser car I would not wast my time with someone wanting to do all of this. When you buy any car factor in parts price. I was given a Mitsubishi OZ lancer I love the car but I could build a Honda for cheaper that could run with a Porsche or EVO. If it is an American car most were cheaply put together look at popularity before you buy. If it is a dream American car (63 Split window Corvette) just plan on fixing all of it.   

  5. If the seller lets you poke around the car like that then there won't be much wrong with it! To be honest if I were selling a 20 year old car and someone was pulling and prodding and picking at the paint like that I'd be fuck off what do you expect its a twenty year old car! 

  6. hey ,if anyone else is searching for advice buying used porsche try Pyzork Porsche Purchasing Professor (do a google search ) ? Ive heard some incredible things about it and my mate got great results with it. 

  7. I never buy used car. If you want something that's used then you should expect what you're getting for the price

  8. How much money $$$$ for that car? I think everyone wants to know.  Its all a numbers game. How much you buy it for and how much you are going to put in it. LOL That yr. is not the best. Go for 87,88,89 . You will have to redo the entire engine or you will be limping around town. That yr is known to  leak oil. Plus other issues. Sorry for that bad info. You should of bought my last 88. If you rebuild the engine. Than it does not matter how it is now. Good luck with it if you buy. And have fun in your rebuild. You seam like a guy that will trick that car out. And a 911 is the car to do it with . I drove 911 for 32 yrs. And I love them. Have fun.

  9. I love to watch this again…
    The only moment i dont understand is 09:20 , new brake lines, you wont have to change your fluid in a couple of years.
    Brake fluid must be changed 1 time per year or more, depending on your use!

  10. The mechanic here seems so nice. I wish I could find a mechanic like him. The mechanic I know is depressed looking, doesn't seem to know his stuff (or isnt willing to share). I don't want to send my new used car to him but I don't know where to find a great mechanic for my PPI.

  11. bruh, youre buying a used car. Expect to have small dents and scratches on the clear coat. Theres definetly gona be oil leaks because its an older car and theres a reason why its being for sale…. _ 

    overall just look for the market price for the condition it is in and make an estimate of how much time and money you will have to put in after you get the car. Then negotiate for you and the seller a fair price for both parties.

  12. That's pretty fancy, usually I just do a 5 minute inspection in the dark and then fork out the cash. 😀 Never bought anything rubbish though.

  13. "The engine is good, the engine is healthy"…fast-forward to the rebuild video where they find all sorts of broken bits of metal and screws etc. floating around inside the engine. Engine compression is not a standalone heuristic for engine health.

  14. hahah.. the owner will really allow you to take the wheels off and put it on a lift before you buy it.. for sure

  15. you obviosly should be aware of signs of a crash and stuff, and just run the car through its paces and you should feel if you try many different cars, how the suspension feel and if its loose or what ever.. jack it upp and check bearinng and joints,, but seriosly, i have a prosche and those tings break constantly and need replacing,, the prefered service milage is every 15000km according to porsche. Lost of stuff breaks on these cars and other porsches.. I have as mutch into my car as its worth. Leakdown test and just check oil quality and if its got stuff in it,, water etc. Wheel alignment is like meh,, just go get a new one tbh, goes off after a track day anyway.

  16. Okay, I just watched this video now I want to watch the "next weeks" video of Larry making the purchase or not and I can't find it. Does anyone know the name of the video that finishes off this purchase??? Please??

  17. these cars are an investment end of story everything he is doing is valid this is a great video for the educated car collector or enthusiast wanting to get into the hobby. well done!

  18. Good information here. but as the seller, at any kind of a reasonable price, I'd just sell it to a guy who just plain wants it. The mech said he'd waive the PPI fee if he gets the work, which discredits his whole opinion, and shows is a clear conflict of interest. Welcome to the world of Porsche tax, buddy

    ! "What do you mean, 600 dollars for valve cover gaskets?
    LOL

  19. Over engineered. Absurd maintenance costs. Finally… when you go to sell your Porsche, you have to deal with this kind of scrutiny? I'll keep my Japanese work horses.

  20. Ha. I alway give the seller a Minnesota multphasic personality test and a colonoscopy. You never know. Then I lick the wipers and strip to my undies and sleep in the trunk for no less than two nights.

  21. what if, you're your own mechanic, but you don't know cars that well? lol. like i do all my own work but i usually have to visit the forums before i start the job

  22. Whats it called> IMS bearing> no mention and a known problem.
    And all you really need is a cjeap magnet to checkfor bondo.

  23. thanks for doing the video! I enjoyed your ammo NYC videos and this video series you do for drive clean are so helpful! Thanks!

  24. "This is a business transaction and emotions need to be kept out of it."

    If I ever get the money for a 911, I'll have someone else buy it, lol. I would be compelled to buy the first one I saw, on sight.

    On another note, I love the German shoes to go with the German car.

  25. I truly believe that if I'd look for all those things when buying a second hand car, I'd be looking for a good one for 3 and a half years too…

  26. If you, "push poke and pull like it's your own car, check the paint depth, want me to take you for a ride and then want to drive it by yourself I'll tell you to get the fuck out of here lol

  27. Any 964 will cost minimum $10000 to bring it back to New. There's almost 30 years of usage so seals, brakes, paint, leather, cup unit the ac (is the Computer 1000$cost) clutch, lights, electric seats might need changing. Big money are changing your engine rings or any surprises like in the 4 wheel or transmissions. Oh leaks are king in the 964. Seal change.

  28. I have been watching your videos on your 964…… I see you did the PPI at Rennwerke but had the engine done at speed sport . If i may ask why you used speed sport rather then Rennwerke ? Im looking to do the same work you had done and im located in CT Thanks

  29. if this guy starting touching my Porsche like that I wouldn't sell it to him out of principal.

    Learn how to buy a car reasonably, but this is ridiculous.

    Just sold a car underneath some guy who wanted to do pressure testing. Get over yourself.

  30. After watching him replace the fenders, hood, roof and have to get custom repairs done to the rusted out body in the latest vids for ammonyc…. did he really get a fair price?

  31. Excellent video but not for a 911. When I bought mine it was the first day it was listed, i offered asking and signed a hand made contract. Next day another buyer offered the seller $5k more for the car! if you want an 'affordable' 911 under $80k, you'll have to take some risks as there are other people waiting to offer asking and +

  32. Great video! I was an automotive technician for many years and this is a great video for any person looking to purchase a used car. Keep up the good work.

  33. Oh boy Larry. You've made me a Porsche guy just from watching your vids.. I drive an BMW F30 335i which I love but now I'm craving a 964! Super informative videos, as always!

  34. Yaa good vid but very super in depth.. if your looking for a perfect car.. but if your that picky your better off just buying something new. Lol

  35. Yeah, this is Pretend Life.
    Real Life:
    You: "Hi, I looked at your 911 this morning. I'd like to schedule it in for a PPI, if you'd be able to help get it there?"
    Owner: "Uh, yeahhh… Sorry man, another guy came 20 minutes after you left, and paid the asking price on the spot. Good luck, dude!"

  36. There was a lot of oil under the motor and I like that the mechanic didnt freak out. Older engines can have some leaks.

  37. That car really needs a good coat of some of your overpriced and relabeled bullshit ‘AMMO’ products to really set it off.

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