The World’s Most Controversial K-Pop Group

The World’s Most Controversial K-Pop Group


The first time you watch k-pop you’re immediately hooked on it,
addicted to it. Singing, dance, acting, fashion immediately thought have to do this, I have to be a part of this k-pop. If you guys wouldn’t mind
introducing yourself Let’s do our… [inaudible] Hello! The criticism that the expedition got was about ownership of k-pop. They can’t because they’re white,
they can’t because they’re Americans. Kimchi [Cheese]!
One, two, three! Kimchi! He says “I don’t want white people
in my kpop” isn’t kpop Isn’t K-pop Korean? white dudes trying to break into White dudes trying to break into Korean pop music,
is fucking bullshit. You were telling me earlier that you
guys got death threats in the beginning? If people are reacting this strongly
that maybe this is something more than what I thought it was or where it where it could go. When you look at kpop
there’s nothing that’s traditionally Korean in it. To certain people when they see us We understand that that
is still surprising. I understand every single person
that had criticisim. We live here in Korea, We speak Korean working with the same producer same teams who create other k-pop groups you’re kind of thinking like how could it not be
considered K-Pop. I’m here in Seoul South Korea to meet
EXP edition The world’s first non
Korean K-Pop group It’s made up of four members Sime, who’s Croatian American, Hunter, who’s from New York, Frankie, who’s from Rhode Island and Koki who’s half Japanese,
half German raised in Texas. So with their first album
in the tank and their lives fully
relocated to Seoul. I’m here to find out if a group of foreigners can actually make it
in the K-Pop industry What up!
– Whats up dude! Welcome.
– How’s it going? Good, good. Come in.
Take your shoes off when you enter. This is like the place you guys have been in since you got here. This is a castle. The castle, yeah. Technically they have a bigger
room Sime and Koki So we do rock-paper-scissors to see
who will get the bigger room -At a restaurant, right?
– Yeah. We like our rooms. growing up I did a lot of musical theater in elementary school,
middle school, high school I always loved to sing. I was born and raised in Croatia and I decided to just go to the States for one year as a
foreign exchange student That’s where I saw a musical theater for a very first time,
I fell in love with it and so I decided to stay I was just doing probably similar to the guys stories. Acting, modeling, also side jobs you know just for money,
catering jobs. Growing up in the
States you’re never like “Oh, like I’m gonna
become a pop star”. Because like, how do you do that? Then once I joined the EXP edition It kind of… renewed my…
I guess like vigor To, to like think
like this is possible. How do you use this term? While doing something.
– While doing something. That’s right. We us it when it has
the same subject. That’s right. We have to use it under
the same subject. Koki, do you want to make
a sentence? While I was studying, I
was watching TV. We want to be a part of
the K-Pop industry and we are here where it all started. So, in order to do that,
you have to know the language Right.
– You have to know the culture, you have to be a part of it. I think it’s still a new
concept to a lot of people. But, we’re just honored to be
a small part of it. You know?
– Yeah. That’s my baby. Let’s say that in Korean. Today is a special day! Teacher’s day! Teacher’s grace is so high. Oh, do you know this song? It is getting higher as looking up Thank you. Ah, it should be rewarded. our teacher’s grace. -We love you!
– Thank you The group was started in
2015 by Bora Kim. A Korean woman who wanted to study what makes K-pop K-pop as a part of an art project at Columbia University. She called the group EXP edition,
EXP being for experiment filled it with non Koreans and raised
$30,000 on Kickstarter. Obviously, I had no experience in running
an entertainment company So, I was reading a lot of academic texts about it and then It really made me think
on what K-pop can be to other people. We’re hoping to continue moving
forward and stay focused on our main goal to create
and share great K-Pop. We prepared an ad and surprisingly so many
people applied. And right about that time
we got a lot of media attention. – So when you guys first debuted how are you like received? just like an explosion of
attention basically. Very mixed reactions that we got. Anywhere by people being fascinated
by the idea to just like outright hitting it. I mean you were telling me that you guys got death threats at the beginning? My sister texted me like “what are these? Are these jokes?” These comments on instagram. I’m like yeah just don’t
pay attention to it. I guess thinking back at it. It like makes me like
question myself. Was I just being ignorant? By just thinking that we weren’t
gonna get… I remember initially
thinking like Wow this… If people are reacting
this strongly then Then maybe this is something
more than what I thought it was and where,
where it could go Because in Korea K-pop is no joke. It’s a five billion dollar industry. There are There are over 100 groups
signed to major labels and dozens of Idol
training schools, But Idol training is
notoriously tough and kids practice 12 hours
a day for upwards of 10 years hoping to
become k-pops next big star. EXP edition
has faced criticism for seemingly bypassing
that system and I wanted to know how that
might affect their success. So I sat
down with Leah Kim One of the best known dance choreographers in K-pop. Why is the training to become a K-Pop idol so intense? Entertainment companies want to see
perfectly well knit choreography. So, the training is hard and intense. Can K-Pop idols be made or
do they have to be born? The training system is so
good in Korea. A K-pop company can take your skills that require improvement to the next level. So, I can say, K-Pop
idols can be made. Only 20-30 percent of trainees can
make it to the agency auditions. It’s such a tough and difficult process that I give a lot of respect to people that became K-pop idols. Do you think k-pop idols can
come from outside of that system? Without K-pop’s inside knowledge, if an individual who comes from outside tries to get over that system, I cannot say it’s impossible,but
it wouldbe really hard. Because of the training system fans of K-Pop expect their idols to be perfect – This is ti tikka TV David we are with
EXP Edition! Danny and David Kim our popular Korean youtubers whose K-Pop reaction videos have been viewed over
37 million times. They first reviewed EXP Edition two years ago about their
music video ‘Feel like this’. I’m not saying, i’m not saying
they’re good at any level. Like they’re pretty bad. I’ll agree with that. They’re pretty bad. When you guys were first
exposed to EXP Edition, what was your reaction to foreigners
getting involved with K-Pop? I think it’s like, you know when
Vanilla Ice first came out. You know? They’re not like totally K-Pop
because musicly they sounded very Popish, they sounded like American pop right. Visually, they kind of like
imitated or they were wearing like K-Pop style makeup. And it was very weird for me. And also their pronunciation.
This is very important for Korean people who
listen to the music If your pronunciation is weird you get this weird
feeling, you get this like, you get off. ‘Ung’ is to talk to to strongly. Yeah. That was better. Were you guys even aware that
they were like still around? No, no I was pretty sure that… I thought it was a one-off thing. Yeah, I thought it was an experiment yeah because the killing EXP Edition
and also I saw the news that
it was like a thesis project so it’s like,
okay, this is like a one-off thing. You didn’t take it seriously?
– No, no. They’ve been trying to like get on
TV shows and like make that run. But yeah,
it’s funny you know your guys business
K-Pop you weren’t even aware they were like still around. I wanted to see if the group has been able to build a Korean fan base so I went to a performance they were giving at a Korean Buddhist temple. Please welcome EXP Edition
with a big round of applause. How did it make you feel to see foreigners forming a K-Pop group. In the beginning, I doubted whether a
foreign group can sign K-Pop or not, but I am now very positive about it since it’s the result of the globalization of K-Pop. I was supposed to be somewhere else, but I like them so much that I am here now. Their pronunciation is
not that accurate. but the delivery of their
emotion was very good. So, I thought that a group might
really love our country’s K-Pop. and that’s how I became
a fan of EXP edition. All done! I will see you tomorrow! Seeing the guys with their fans step
out of all of their Western selves and step into this very Korean self, that they’ve had to manufacture
to appeal to a brand new audience. It does sort of flirt with
the line of cultural appropriation and then
just straight out respect. And to be
honest I really wasn’t expecting the Korean fans to be so positive towards them. The way that you guys have
physically transformed yourself or the way that you guys have learned aesthetic that goes along with K-Pop does that offend you at all? No, absolutely not. When people look at us and say like we’re culturally
appropriating in a way it does confuse me once people realize that we do love and respect Korean culture and K-Pop as an industry that it’s nothing like
cultural appropriation. It’s interestingly enough that most of this sort of like that type of criticism comes from non-Korean
K-Pop fandom. Mostly english-speaking
actually. I’m gonna Google K-Pop
definition see what the world Ohhhh, nice thing is like
it isn’t K-pop… Korean… It hurts to watch, right? yeah This is much closer to Europe pop
– Closer to Europe on trashed Yeah, I don’t like this. Yeah, they are a gimic group.
I don’t think, yeah… This kind of experiment it’s mocking
the K-Pop culture and I find that
part disrespectful. White dudes trying to break into
Korean pop music to appeal to a Korean
audience as a social experiment is f*king bullshit. Hello! The criticisim EXP Expedition got was
about ownership of K-Pop. So Kenny expedition call
themselves K-Pop. They can’t because they’re
not Korean, they can’t because they’re white, but in Korea
we don’t have the hate reaction. Korea has a totally different relationship toward cultural appropriation within K-Pop. When you actually look
at K-Pop there’s nothing that’s traditionally
Korean in it. for about forty years Korea was under Japanese occupation.
Their culture was wiped out. And they were cut off to the world with K-Pop Korea’s been able to take elements of Western
culture and make it their own and are happy to share
that with the world. But foreign k-pop fans, mainly
American, feel this need to protect K-Pop even though
it’s not really theirs to protect. I don’t want white people in my
fucking K-Pop. Stay in America. How do you react with these
types of reaction videos? This specific reaction video
we thought was really interesting. There’s definitely a sense of ownership K-Pop fans have over… Over K-Pop and it’s so
interesting because they bec…
they themselves act as if they’re an ambassador of K-Pop and so when they see something threatening it or they something that they
think is threatening it. They are very outrightly trying to protect it. But it’s exoticsizing and demeanor
and it’s orientalist you know this talk around race and political correctness. You really have to look at the
situation and a lot of people that know about us know very surface of it and make that
very quick judgement. How did ever registering that you had taken members
of the majority in America and you made
them minorities in Korea? Yeah, that was the weight
of this project. I wanted to hear from some of these more outspoken
foreign K-Pop fans so I invited a couple of them to talk about the route of their feelings towards the EXP edition. What was your collective first
impression of the EXP edition? Not killer.
– That was very nice. I thought they’re trolly. Everybody was taking them seriously
but I was like these guys are funny. You thought it was a mockery? Yeah, yeah, yeah. kpop is like a K-Pop is like a set of conventions
that’s why we like go to K-Pop for that. So when
they were doing this thing it’s like…
that’s not what we expected I mean the philosophy of life is you have to be better
you have to be different and so they tried to hit up that we’re very different they’re like look how white we are ha right and everyone’s like okay but your skills aren’t where they need to be, your
production isn’t were it needs to be. Your songs aren’t where they need to be, So what are you doing? At first because it was like
his college creation that they were being
satirical and then they’re like ‘oh, people
actually want to see this.’ It’s funny though cause like when I first came in contact with the group it seemed like a
cash grab to me. But from what I’ve seen so far,
I think they are really trying to make
it as a K-Pop group. I think that anybody can break into the market. I don’t want to see it. I have my interest in watching it. Yeah, I mean was it because…
– Was it because they’re white? because they’re white?
Was that gonna be your question? No, no not yet but we can…
– Not yet? We can talk…
That was a question when can talk about about that right like was it because they were a majority why
it like mostly American group? No, it was just cuz it was criggy Because I mean when… But did that have to do with
their being white… Probably, I can’t really explain it to you it’s a weird thing and it’s funny cuz in the comments section to some of my videos I’ve had the exact same question like I just don’t want to see non-asians in K-pop and it’s like it’s not that it’s there’s
nothing to do with the race. It’s just I think it’s some people are sick and tired
of how Western culture pushes certain
things in your face, With music. I think there’s almost sort of like a natural protective is thing if they went over there and they tried and they sang in Korean,
they danced they did their thing,
but they acted more where they’re from, maybe
it will work little better and it wouldn’t seem
so cringy and fake. People would be like they’re
not even trying to be K-Pop. You kno?
Yes, they will if they can’t win no matter what they do
they’re going to be under the harshest spotlights. I think this is a type of
situation that a lot of artists have been in before it happened with jazz, it happened with hip-hop, when a
certain genre becomes so globally recognized it is only natural that more and more people
from different backgrounds are going to
become part of it. What do you want
out of this Experiment? As far as like the experiment part I think that is over like that experiment part ended a long time ago. Whether or not we are
successful enough to keep going that that’s more of like
the conversation… Oh my god! Whats that? A cowgirl? Oh my god she is getting so big! Whats new in Korea? We’ve had a few shows lately.. Um… Actually a really cool one yesterday
at a temple it was raining but it was a lot of fun and I think it went well
we made a bunch of new fans and… It’s like a big leap of faith coming out here right obviously making that decision kind of
putting your life on hold or leaving it behind at a certain point you guys
are in it for the long haul. That’s an understatement
I mean it’s just everything in our lives is kind of riding on this. Like if this… like god forbid the only thing this is fake wood. If it just stopped like I don’t even know what we would do we would just have to start kind of from the ground up again like and it’s hard to imagine just going back to auditioning and going back to you know catering you doubt yourself sometimes but we always try to
just stay positive and falsely mad. You know I have this big performance
coming up and I wish… I wish my parents could be
there you know I feel like they could understand me better and my desire
to keep going even when it seems like I shouldn’t. Describing me I guess the
place that the band is in now. That’s a good question. We are building
our fans of and we can feel it that it is slowly growing
but we need to get known more to the public we do have to be on like bigger TV shows and and that’s really hard to do. We’re inside KBS studios
because today’s Sime is performing on a competition singing show and these types of shows are wildly popular in Korea and it’s actually like a rite of passage for K-Pop groups. The thing is he’s actually gonna
be performing by himself on that stage and if he does well it could really elevate the status of the group it’s a lot of pressure
and it’s kind of like one of those make-it-or-break-it moments for EXP edition. And this stuff is all… What is this
like scheduling I’m guessing. This is a timeline of the date so the actual recording
starts at 6:15 and this show will be a
temple immortal songs’ is one of the most watched TV shows in Korea, so, Yes it is a big deal. And just talking about it like my heart starts racing. – Is it time? Almost. My kind of analysis of it all
isn’t necessarily like people were attacking you for as individuals I think they were more afraid of what you represented. It’s a very sensitive topic, it really is but I think it comes down to just
making sure that we’ve really come
across as someone who’s not being ignorant about this whole situation. We understand that to certain people
when they see us perform in Korean with a certain
aesthetic that is still surprising I think this has happened to every musical genre ever. We’re the face of it
so when people see us they’re gonna react specifically to us because of that Please wait inside and we will call you when it’s ready. I hope he wins.
– Yeah. I think you should come out now. That’s okay, it’s okay dude I mean you still you killed it. Are you okay? -That was like 5 votes?
Yeah 5 votes. Yeah. That’s life. Spending time with these guys and learning about their story has started to make me question how we define cultural appropriation
and why we are so quick to assign that term
to certain situations. Now I’ll admit that was my first thought when I heard
about EXP edition. But now, I feel like it was an unfair judgment especially if the majority culture in Korea is fine with them. I think sometimes in our attempt to protect certain things
we forget what we are actually trying
to defend. What are the things that you
want to make sure that the world knows about you
moving forward? People should know
that we live in Seoul all right our album is under the K-Pop genre on websites ya’ll. At the bottom of all of this
is like very simple and it could be very selfish and that is that we really do love what we do. The only thing that what we
can do in now is to make sure that we
present ourselves and our work in the most
respectful way possible. Oh shit! I just stopped and I he said one more?

100 thoughts on “The World’s Most Controversial K-Pop Group

  1. You shouldn't hate them just because there white.. I'm Asian/Chinese and it doesn't matter what race idols are. They are trying there hardest to do what there dreaming of. Bts said that do what you want to do, and they really want to be a K-pop idol, so they choose that, whoever sent the death threats, I hope you can learn something, it might be just some little kid who doesn't think..

  2. My thing is, it's alot of Asian that come to America and do things that we think only Americans should do. They should be free to do what they want.

  3. All of them should be most hated why tf are you gonna listen to shit you don’t understand by kids barely old enough to graduate high school let alone have the brains to write a song

  4. if they are not successful, it's not because they are non koreans. A lot of native Kpop groups fail

    and only a few survive out of hundreds.

    To be successful, a good music, catchy song is a must and they need to be attractive to teenage fans.

    After all, we are not talking about musicians we are talking about idols.
    If they want to be musicians singing in Korean, I'll cheer for them. However, if they wanna be kpop idols………….

  5. It's crazy how in many Asian countries if you are not Asian you will never be one of them. It's like having a friend who is family to you yea you are not truly related but blood has nothing to do with family and that should go for race, religion and culture.

  6. Kpop is essentially hip hop show love to the roots of kpop listen to more hip hop and then eventually stop listening to kpop

  7. they all legit look old they look like dads that are extreme koreaboos trying to be younger except the half Japanese guy he could probably be an actor or if he was younger he could definitely pass but they look more rougher? Koreans look more softer? Idk how to explain

  8. Honestly they all are talented. But people just have a certain expectation that's all. We shouldn't hate on them. They might not fit but they definitely have talent.

  9. I'm sorry but stop this bs immediately stop commenting 'it's kpop meaning you dont have to be korean' im sorry but if you aren't asian and are a kpop idol I dont support you. My opinion deal with it

  10. They dont have the right aesthetic. tbh if you're gonna do it with white guys, you should've recruited 4 eboys. Because the eboys pretty much ripped their whole aesthetic from dark kpop concept

  11. Im korean but look a little white so if u put makeup on my id look korean or if u put my hair up in a pony tail id look korean but I'm scared people would call me a fake korean and will hate me because I still have white in me😟 my GRANDMA IS FULL KOREAN speaks and looks 100% korean. idk how to speak korean. Also id wanna be in a korean group but the girls would probably not want someone who looks kinda white 😞

  12. Funny I just watched the same Vice journalist do a piece on on a black bull rider yet nothing on cultural appropriation on that episode…. The new woke culture is full of double standards and always wants to focus on race yet there is only one human species left on earth…

  13. Lmao the reporter at 4:23 is just like "I've made a big mistake coming here, I hope I'm getting paid enough for this shit."

  14. 13:16 What he says there is true. The people who are sensitive to things like "cultural appropriation" are Americans, because of the current political state in the US. Unless they were outright mocking or blatantly disrespecting the culture, no one would really consider what they're doing here as offensive. In fact, people even find things like this endearing. Outside the US, people aren't really this sensitive.

  15. I kinda feel bad for them lol, I gotta admit they are cringe and don't fit the k-pop "aesthetic", but they seem innocent and harmless and don't really look like they're trying to offend anyone.

  16. Does this mean that they probably had white privileged in Korea and thats how they ended up on show champion and other programs?…..

  17. ——————— mind your business ———————

    Whatever you do, you can’t be in a korean pop, y’all wan’t to be
    In a place you’re not meant to be, basically you’re breaking the
    Point of “KOREAN POP” its KOREAN! Please respect the point
    Of “K-POP” it’s meant for its people and international viewers
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ( not all would agree, No offense)

  18. For me I don't think it's a good idea for them to start a Korean band/become a idol group because usually korean idols are being seen as squishy and adorable. They also have that young look. For them their the total opposite. But for that japenesse guy I think he can make it. The others just don't fit in.

  19. BAHAHAHAHAHA most controversial? They’re not even korean.. at least it’s my opinion I don’t believe I’m this. I can only be HALF Kpop..

  20. I don’t mind international Kpop idols, but it’s definitely different I think if I were to listen to them, I’d have to listen to them for awhile to get used to them.

    this might seem rude or whatever, but some people might think they’re kinda Koreaboos? But not at the same time?

  21. kpop itself is cultural approriation so how can white people doing kpop be appropriating culture that was stolen from them in the first place?

  22. I’m weak!!! These people love k-pop so much they give deaths threats. Wtf. We have every other color rapping and trying to be hood and we’re not threatening to kill them 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  23. Just let them be guys. What did they ever did to you? Who cares if they are white or half asian. We need to respect one another. Because I don’t think you want to be treated with hate. Why hate when there is love

  24. Still watching this in 2019 I just want to say it is not because they’re white. It’s because they didn’t go through the same agonizing training process most Kpop idols and trainees have gone through or are still going through. And it’s because that they got to debut without truly being trained like how if they went under a traditional korean company’s training program. So a lot of people that are against them are just against the fact they’re not being treated equally to other idols and are getting clout for their race and getting to be idols without a true training.

  25. this would be like if Super Junior debuted now… yeah it's a no from me not because of them not being Korean but because they aren't the right age and it just generally comes across cringey. They legit look like if the Buzzfeed Tryguys tried to make a kpop group – I'm sorry but no one's going to take them seriously. If a Korean group looked their age and debuted now it is my bet they would also not be successful and be made fun of. Not to mention, they aren't as refined or well-trained as their competitor kpop groups who have been training since a young age. They are practically skipping the queue by debuting how they have as this "social experiment". Their Korean isn't good either. If they want us to take them seriously and consider them kpop artists they shouldn't using "being white and American" as their gimmick and labelling themselves and allowing others to label them "the first non-Korean kpop group". Bring me a well-trained group of American guys with the right looks and talent who can sing with correct Korean pronunciation and I'll be there. Make a couple of these guys 10 years younger and they'd be perfect. These guys can do what they want, they're not hurting anybody and I can tell they care about Korean culture & are very well-meaning, but all they are doing is making a fool of themselves, as harsh as it sounds.

  26. How you gon be mad at white boys trying to join a k pop group when K boys are are walking, breathing and living white/western culture?

  27. koki could 100% make it, I just feel like the other members look way old??? like being white isn't the issue it's just that that don't fit the kpop aesthetic

  28. Lot of people hating this band, I know the reason this band been hating a lot but I don't hate this band at all. I just think this band need more train at dancing and korean accent. I believe this band will deserve lots of love someday… Well I support this band. Just train more and show the world who you are!!
    #EXPEDITION

  29. I don’t care they are white. I don’t care if they are Korean or not. (If one of the reasons why you like Kpop is because they are Korean, there is something wrong there). But compared to other groups, they aren’t that talented.

  30. A lot of people see this as Americans invading Kpop, but what they dont see is that the Korean Market wanted this

  31. Hmmm, Imagine if the world said, "No you can't" or "BYE!!!" To them : 👇👇👇👇
    Elvis Presley (white): Rockabilly, Gospel, country
    Eminem (White): Rap/Hip Hop
    Shania Twain (Canadian): Country
    Keith Urban (Australian): Country
    Darius Ruker (African American): Currently crossed over into country

  32. It doesn't honestly feel like a K-Pop group if all the members are white. It technically is since they emulate the culture, music, and song but it feels so off to me.

  33. Danny and D kim
    What do you know about Vanilla ice and what it sound like
    Your acting like your of African American couture even able to say that.
    What do you know about Vanilla ice .
    Have some respect , you sound soooo jelly Culture in the states helped Korea in general even, your own job !
    You both are pretending to be westernized
    Your culture grows because of ours !!!
    Koreans DID NOT MAKe "POP MUSIc "!!!
    Keep bitting !!!!
    I can go on an on on how you don't belong doing what we do , but I won't !
    Many blessing
    Even though I'd rather not give you any
    Haters !!!!

  34. I have nothing but respect for these guys. It was odd they're white but all that matters is hard work and their actual talent. So all you haters fuck off. They have a dream and the balls to do this and I say they should go for it

  35. They will never get signed by a huge label. None of them actually look like Korea pop stars.. They are to old. Also Koki (maybe) could be an actor in South Korea since he kind of has the look.

  36. The CEO has a better chance of making it as a K-pop group. By herself. That's how likely EXP Edition can actually make it.

  37. I get why so many people were mad at them, idols train for years and some of them don’t make it in the industry these men they worked hard but they don’t have the experience that idols have. In the west people can become famous with absolutely no talent whatsoever but in Kpop idols need to be next level and have the talent to carry them. I get that EXP is working their butts off but I feel they need a lot more work if they really want to be considered a kpop group.

  38. I don't understand Korean pop music… We live in an age where anyone can get a computer and make music. Where the competition and hobbyism of music production and songwriting has led to a massive increase in quality, talent and diversification of sound…yet the Koreans spend all their time listening to and making super cheesy, boybandesque music dominated by big record labels…

  39. No offense to the group, but only Koki would actually make it into a proper K-Pop group, not saying the others are untalented but Koki is more loved out of the other 3 members. No hate tho 💀

  40. How can they complain about culturally appropriating something which is a cultural appropriation? Like seriously tief fra tief Gad laaf.😂😂😂

  41. I ain’t stanning you because you’re white. I ain’t stanning because your dance and singing is not my preference. I like sharp technical choreography. Also I don’t really like their songs. I listened to “I feel like this” and “stress” and honestly the producer isn’t doing a good job in helping with their situation. A song should intrigue the listener or newcomer and if there are other groups with better songs, better dances, better visuals, and better vocals then you’ll just be forgotten. This is KPOP!!! Lots of groups are struggling to make it big. That’s how the industry works.

  42. The hole reason why Kpop exists is bc that Kpop is entertainment and I wouldnt have a problem if non asians would be an idol if they were rlly good just an fyi i am a big kim samuel stan and vernon stan bc they are rlly good talented idols while exp edition are like dads trying to impress their Kpop kids

  43. what i don’t understand is that multiple races are allowed to sing in american pop, but not korean pop?
    since when did it matter what race you were to just sing in korean and to make it in that industry?

  44. I’ve watched this vid many times.. and disagree at first.. now..2019.. i’m watching it again and i don’t know why my heart aches like i feel so sorry for them but there’s nothing wrong for them too. Its their dream i guess.. its their ceo is the one to be blame. She should at least put 2 korean members. Now i kinda support them and let them live their dream. If other non-asian or non-korean can be idol, why not them? :/

  45. I think a lot of you Kpop fans have been focusing way too much on how a Kpop artist should look like, always looking younger than they look kind of thing. You guys expect all of the Kpop singers to look perfect and to always stay young. When a Kpop singer gains a hint of weight, fans will get critical. When a Kpop singer gets some zits on them, fans will get critical. I think Kpop in general is all nothing but the visual looks (I really do like Kpop in general, but all the singers always looking perfect is something that needs to change) and see and treat all the Kpop singers like they're dolls or something. But when when a group like EXP Edition, many who are saying "They're too old", have bought into the idea that these Kpop singers need to look perfect, no exceptions. A little off topic, on the other hand, people who have taken years of training to become a Kpop singer while EXP only seem to have done it in months is a good argument as to why EXP should have not debut yet that early. Back to the topic, the EXP Edition guys actually look their appropriate ages. Most, if not all, of the Kpop singers go through surgery to look perfect (even adjusting a nose or an eye), use of skin care to always looking fresh, use of heavy make-up to make their features stand out more, and more regiments that so many of the Kpop men/women go through to keep that young look. If none of the Kpop singers did not do any of these things to keep the young look, they'll start to look around the ages of these guys. Most of the male Kpop singers go into military by the time they're 30 and after they're done service. G Dragon is the same age as these guys, he's 31 now for example of someone in his early 30s.

  46. i feel like these guys…have potential, but there are so many things work against them :< they seem like such good guys…i hope they end up happily 💜💜💜

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